MyDD :: Obama snatches 1 Pledged Delegate & 3 Supers Saturday

Obama snatches 1 Pledged Delegate & 3 Supers Saturday

by Obamafan, Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:27:27 AM EST

Although most of the Cable News Networks were focusing on the Condition of Mass. Senator Ted Kennedy including me nevertheless here is an Delegate Update what happened yesterday on Delegates:
Nevada:
The State Convention convened yesterday and Barack Obama came out victorious:
New NV National Convention Delegate Breakdown:
Barack Obama 14 Delegates
Hillary Clinton 11 Delegates
Nevada also selected its Add-On Super Rusty McAllister. He's Uncommitted.
Maryland:
Obama got the Endorsement of DNC Member Greg Pecoraro.
Kanasas:
During the State Convention the Dem. Party selected KS Lt. Governor Mark Parkinson as his Add-On Super. He endorsed Obama way back in February.
Last Colorado:
As widely expected the State Convention selected Federico Pena as the Add-On Super. He's a National Co-Chairman for Obama so he supports him.

Tomorrow California will select its 5 Add-On Supers. Clinton will get 3 and Obama will get 2.

Saturdays Pledged Delegate Tally
Obama 1 Clinton 0
Saturdays Superdelegate Tally
Obama 3 Clinton 0

Tags: Delegate Update (all tags)

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And so it continues (none / 0)

Should be over in about a week.

by parahammer on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:44:32 AM EST

I've seen this movie before. (2.00 / 1)

Hillary's strategy of boasting that she would poach Obama's pledged delegates has turned out to be real bonehead move considering that she now can't complain about him poaching hers.

It's like in the Austin Power movies where Doctor Evil is compelled to smugly reveal his insidious plan only to have it turned against him.

by Nomo Clintons on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:03:10 AM EST

Well.... (none / 0)

this won't end well.

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:04:42 AM EST
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And it's certain that (none / 0)

the sequel will be even tawdrier.

by Nomo Clintons on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:10:22 AM EST
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Re: I've seen this movie before. (none / 0)

'strategy' boasting'?? she said the basic fact that pledged is not what people were claiming and that they could be switched before denver. and what f'ing hypocrisy on the part of all the obama supporters who railed for months that she was deviously trying to steal the election! who's doing that now?

and the issue of delegates representing the voice of the people - what tripe. don't want to hear that yap out of obama supporters anymore - Hillary WON NV yet low and behold Obama 'stole' more delegates. Hmmmm....

If hillary can pull off the nomination by any means --- it's clearly fair and square now given the Obama strategy.

by swissffun on Sun May 18, 2008 at 06:12:16 AM EST
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Re: I've seen this movie before. (none / 0)

Swissfun -- the first thing you need to realize is that Obama supporters are composed of many people with different ideas.

The second thing you need to realize is that many Obama supporters, including me, objected to pledged delegates switching their votes. I argued that even though Clinton is a deceitful liar with no respect for the process or the will of the people, the delegates shouldn't fall to her level.

The third thing you need to understand is that Obama doesn't need these pledged delegates "switches". Hillary does.

So, complaining about two pledged delegates switching -- when Obama already has a 200 delegates lead? Get over yourself.

Obama doesn't need to either count or not count Michigan, he doesn't need to either count or not count the superdelegates, he doesn't need these few pledged delegates to switch or not switch.

This race isn't even a close one anymore. It's over. Get over it.

by Aris Katsaris on Sun May 18, 2008 at 07:10:58 AM EST
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Re: I've seen this movie before. (none / 0)

"she said the basic fact that pledged is not what people were claiming and that they could be switched before denver"

And Hillary is now on the short end of it without the ability to utter a peep of protest. People can decide for themselves if it was a smart thing to do.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:02:02 PM EST
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You fail to see the irony (none / 0)

Hillary tells everyone she's going to poach Obama's delegates only to have it done to her.

How sweet it is!

by Nomo Clintons on Tue May 20, 2008 at 03:15:04 AM EST
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Re: I've seen this movie before. (none / 0)

Definitely. There's a similar problem in the Clinton campaign's well-documented habit of saying that this is a race to 2025 delegates. It's like the Clinton campaign still hasn't figured out this Internet-Youtube thing, so they spin whatever seems best on a given day without thought about how it might come back to bite them.

Is it really so hard? I mean, back in February, as Obama was racking up victories, did it not occur to them that they might want to start demagoguing 24/7 about FL and MI, and that perhaps they shouldn't etch such a deep line in the sand about 2025 delegates?

by deminva on Sun May 18, 2008 at 08:17:42 AM EST
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Re: I've seen this movie before. (none / 0)

The Clinton campaign doesn't seem to have planned anything more than a week ahead and can't seem to remember anything they did more than a week ago.

by Nomo Clintons on Tue May 20, 2008 at 03:17:44 AM EST
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Not a fan of pledged delegate switches (2.00 / 3)

I know pledged delegates are not required to stay loyal to whom they are pledged but I am 100% against any switching (even though in this case as an Obama supporter it favors my candidate).

Yes, Clinton has been the only on to push this meme in the past and now that it has happened to her it plays well to my inner juvenile sense of irony, but its still not right.

Pledged delegate switches unofrtunately lend credibility to the 'on to the convention' meme. The loser in the delegate count can point to these examples as justification. They can claim that they can try all summer long to try and flip delegates as the political winds shift. So switching like this allows the 'no vote is really cast until the convention' meme to take hold and keeps the primary open to the convention. Not good at all.

I hope Obama asks this pledged delegate (and the previous one) that he appreciates their consideration but that they should hold true to their original pledge through the first round of voting at the convention. And if a second vote is needed he would gladly accept it then.

by pattonbt on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:39:27 AM EST

I'm inclined to agree. EOM (none / 0)

Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"

by Lord Hadrian on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:41:28 AM EST
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Re: I'm inclined to agree. EOM (none / 0)

Me Too

by Politicalslave on Sun May 18, 2008 at 06:47:52 AM EST
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Re: Not a fan of pledged delegate switches (2.00 / 1)

These are how caucuses work, there is no switching involved, Clinton just failed to get enough of her state-level delegates to turn out at the next level of caucusing. It goes both ways too, on election night it looked like Obama was on track to win the Texas caucus 38-29, but on the next round of caucusing Hillary's state delegates showed up in greater numbers and it is estimated to be 37-30 now. The actual national delegates are not selected until later, this is completely different from what happened in Maryland. This is why some news organizations didn't even list caucus delegates after Super Tuesday, because the results weren't set in stone (unlike primaries).

In any case, if Clinton wants to argue that the Maryland switcher means she should continue to press her case (since pledged delegates can switch at any time like superdelegates), she is ignoring the fact that switchers almost always go towards the presumptive nominee.

by Skaje on Sun May 18, 2008 at 05:45:09 AM EST
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Re: Not a fan of pledged delegate switches (none / 0)

Thank you.

by Politicalslave on Sun May 18, 2008 at 06:51:16 AM EST
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Re: Not a fan of pledged delegate switches (none / 0)

doubt very much that Obama did such an honorable thing as asking for their vote switch on a second ballot.

by swissffun on Sun May 18, 2008 at 06:13:17 AM EST
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Re: Not a fan of pledged delegate switches (2.00 / 1)

I also agree, but I am not sure how to reign in the pledged delegates. If we require them to keep their vote up until the first floor vote at the convention then that might be a problem if there is a candidate that dies or is incapacitated or if there is a candidate who refuses to leave the race after a scandal.

It seems to me the solution may be worse than the problem. To date there has been only one pledged delegate to switch his vote. I don't agree with his decision but it one out of 3,200 isn't so bad.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Sun May 18, 2008 at 08:26:09 AM EST
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Re: Obama snatches 1 Pledged Delegate (none / 0)

Obama refuses to count the two pledged delegates who have switched on his web site's official count.

Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.

by Walt Starr on Sun May 18, 2008 at 07:47:04 AM EST

Phantom mojo from me, Walt. (none / 0)

Would Hillary do the same in his position?

So far, we have no evidence that says she would.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Sun May 18, 2008 at 09:40:39 AM EST
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Good for him (none / 0)

Pledged really shouldn't be switching.