It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): Caveat Emptor, this Diary is meant to be lighthearted

There is a good deal of evidence out there that Webb is going to be Obama's running mate.  And I discuss some of it at the link below. But just in case his credentials don't meet the test, there is another potential candidate out there who can provide what Obama needs.

See, "It's Going to be Webb for VP."
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Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): (none / 0)

I'm not quite convinced, since that argument seems pretty much entirely predicated on the fact he's getting a higher profile lately, which might be more about stepping up pressure on the war as an issue as opposed to a potential build up to a VP nod.

There was also this interesting article where they asked the other 97 Senators what they would say if offered the VP spot:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/sena tors-say-whether-theyd-agree-to-be-vice- president-2008-05-12.html

Webb's response:
"I'm not really interested. That's all I want to say."

That seems pretty unambiguous. If he knew he was getting the nod I'd expect him to at least be a bit coy about it.


by werehippy on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:05:50 AM EST

Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): (2.00 / 4)

I don't think advertising your blog is a legitimate use of a diary.


by mattw on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:07:41 AM EST

Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): (2.00 / 1)

i was going to say the same thing.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:13:17 AM EST
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Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): (2.00 / 1)

Hell yes.  Cross-posting is fine, but this blog pimping is ridiculous.


by The Distillery on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:34:17 AM EST
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Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): (none / 0)

I am sorry that you see my post in this fashion.  There is a visual joke involved in the post on my blog. I thought it would make people laugh, or at least smile.  (In spite of the caveat in the title, many MyDD readers have read it and I haven't had one negative comment on my site.)  

I realize that if everyone were to post in this fashion all of the time, it would be problematic.  But every once in a while, it seems that we can cut people some slack for this sort of thing. The bottom line for me, the post has generated some good discussion.  


Mitchell Aboulafia
by Mitchell A on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:47:15 PM EST
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If you pull Webb out of the Senate, it won't be easy getting back his seat. Less than 2 years in the Senate, less than one year as Secretary of the Navy, three wives and endorsing Allen for Senate once. You think Webb will help deliver VA, not a chance. Webb's approval rating is 47%. Disapproval rating is 41%. Compare that to his GOP colleague.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=f44cc43e-72d4-4091-88b6-e4e25f a75d4a

While Obama/Webb may sound good, it may not be a smart move.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:15:36 AM EST

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Interesting poll.  Did you notice the gender gap there?  It seems that women like him and men don't.

Actually it looked a lot like general election numbers - his approval was high 50s for women and low 40s for men.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:51:24 AM EST
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He's a Democrat, of course women are going to support him in higher numbers than men.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:02:52 AM EST
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Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): (none / 0)

That's pretty much what I was saying.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:12:44 AM EST
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Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): (none / 0)

I agree with RJEvans. The experience factor already hurts Obama, and RJ is right, Webb's experience isn't much higher. He is a veteran, and its a shame he isn't a better candidate for VP. I'd say Obama should make it Ted Strickland, who is more likely to deliver his state than Webb.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:12:36 AM EST

I agree. (none / 0)

Although to be honest he didn't Hillary's best surrogate, seemed very low-key and I got the impression any help he was giving was more behind-the-scenes if anything else (which is critical for winning states but terrible at winning media cycles).  What are Ohioans thoughts on him?  How did he boost Hillary's campaign in the state?


by Homebrewer on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:41:29 AM EST
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Re: I agree. (none / 0)

well, in the latest approval poll of him, he did pretty well, with a 54 percent approval rating and only 39 percent disapproving. He can get Clinton voters because he not only got elected in a Clinton-Democrat state, but he endorsed Hillary too. Hillary did win a commanding victory there, 54-44, about the same as Pennsylvania with Strickland's campaigning. He would help Obama immensely there because he could get enogh whites to vote for him, as Obama would boost the black vote, to win. He's the best chance.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:05:26 AM EST
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Jim Webb's choice unfortunately may not (none / 0)

be very popular with women. He is very attractive VP candidate to bring military and working class credo to the Obama team. However his past legacy especially some of the comments he made may not resonate well with women, especially HRC supporters.
 
by louisprandtl on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:24:32 AM EST

Re: Jim Webb's choice unfortunately may not (2.00 / 1)

Exactly.  I am an Obama supporter, but as a woman I have always said hell no to Webb.


by The Distillery on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:35:20 AM EST
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Point well made. Majority of Democrats (none / 0)

and of those who will vote for the Democratic party are women. In a narrowly contested election even if few percentage of women do not vote/sit out, it would not be good for Senator Obama's GE prospect. Thus if putting on Webb on the VP ticket turns off some women, it can be disastrous. Obama campaign hopefully will consider this effect carefully.


by louisprandtl on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:07:53 AM EST
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Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP (2.00 / 1)

Webb is no prize.  He ran on the war, but has done little in the Senate to follow through with ending it.  I also seem to remember some content in a book he wrote, and things he said about women in the military that won't sit well with a lot of people.  He would be a dumb choice.


by Scotch on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:37:18 AM EST

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Webb is out pimping himself, I'll give you that with his MTP interview coming up.  But do you see the Obama camp pimping him?  I don't think so.  Even when Obama highlighted his support of the GI Bill on his blog, there was not one mention of Webb.

The campaign is pushing Sebelius.  You can tell it from her appearances and the way they highlight her actions on the blog.  She's definitely my first pick.  She's still got competition with Kaine and perhaps Richardson, but I think the campaign has realized how poorly the latter would go over with HRC supporters.


by The Distillery on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:41:01 AM EST

The problem with Sebelius (none / 0)

And this is not her fault, but picking her as VP runs the risk of being seen as a cynical ploy to appeasement Clinton supporters.  Oy, I can already picture the hate dairies in my head.  I don't agree with this: If she was a man I would want her/him to be on the ticket just as much, but it's something that needs to be taken into consideration.

With that said, she was seen as a potential running mate for Kerry in 2004 and was viewed as a potential Democratic contender in 2008, so clearly she's been seen as having presidential qualities for a while now.


by Homebrewer on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:54:48 AM EST
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Re: The problem with Sebelius (none / 0)

I do see this point, and I've already seen that sentiment expressed by HRC supporters.  My problem with that argument (and I know you're not arguing it, you're just stating it) is any woman that Obama picks is just being picked because she's a woman?  For a campaign that's been crying sexism for a while, it's a bizarrely sexist argument itself.  While clearly her gender fits into the picture, she's highly qualified and has been for a while as you pointed out.


by The Distillery on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:34:58 AM EST
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I get that impression too, but why? She doesn't seem particularly charismatic or even likely to deliver a state for that matter. Doesn't bring foreign policy cred either. All I can see is that she is the governor of a red states and works well with Repubs, and perhaps that Obama likes her personally. But I have a hard time seeing why she is better than many of the other choices.


by animated on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:16:27 AM EST
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Strickland doesn't want the VP job, but put him on the ticket, and my chances of voting for Obama goes from 50/50 to 65/35. In fact Strickland will go well with either Clinton or Obama.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:06:02 AM EST

Clinton or Sebelius (none / 0)

Maybe Zinni or Clark.

But I'd prefer Clinton or Sebelius. Sebelius is my top choice cause I <3 her.


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by Lord Hadrian on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:22:17 AM EST
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Re: Clinton or Sebelius (none / 0)

I ♥ you for saying that about Sebelius. :)


by The Distillery on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:36:25 AM EST
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Re: Clinton or Sebelius (none / 0)

testing one two three &heart;

If that works, it's amazing what you can put between those two characters.

Anyway, I don't like Zinni or Clark for related reasons of why some people don't like the idea of Sebelius - having a General as his VP choice is too cute by half.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:15:16 AM EST
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re (none / 0)

I think it will be Hillary. The stars are aligning. She will have 1800 delegates


by rossinatl on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:34:06 AM EST

Tim Kaine (none / 0)

Will put VA in play to a greater extent than will Webb.


by parahammer on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:50:48 AM EST

Re: It's Going to be Webb for VP(or someone else): (none / 0)

Webb has flat out stated that he's not interested in the VP position.  That is a pertinent fact for this discussion.


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by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:54:35 AM EST

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Webb is well known to have women problems. He has been characterized (in his 2006 race) as insensitive to women. (Supposedly he was patronizing to woman officers below him and was disinclined to promote women. He argued during his campaign that the opposite was true. All in all, the last thing Obama needs.) This will rear its ugly head again and make it MORE difficult to get Hillary voters.

I think any OTHER woman would also make it more difficult to get Hillary voters and Sebelius adds nothing to the ticket. If Hillary and Obama would convincingly announce that she was offered VP but declined, that might help; on the other Hand why would Hillary admit to her own supporters that she turned down the chance to be the first woman VP? The only way I can see this happen is if she is offered the majority leader post and makes a convincing argument that she can advance her agenda better as leader of the Senate. Harry Reid and Chris Dodd (possibly also Dick Durbin) might not go along with this.

All other things being equal, Clark (military cred), Strickland (Ohio cred) or Rendell (street cred and great campaigner - but sometimes goes off message) seem Obama's logical choices if not Hillary. Longshot pick: Bob Graham. Former chairman of Senate Intelligence Committee, beloved in Florida (even more than Jeb), not too old but reeks gravitas. Downside: sort of boring, but this may actually be a benefit to Obama. Bonus upside: nobody has mentioned him in all the veep speculation - makes media look stupid. Had Gore selected Graham instead of Lieberman, we could have avoided the last 8 years of misery. Lieberman was selected to appeal to Jewish voters in Florida; Graham would have appealed to ALL voters in Florida. Bonus longshot: Schweitzer of Montana, depending on how he polls in CO, NV, NM, WA, OR.


by STUBALL on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:18:28 AM EST

Not to Jinx, But Like Everything Else.... (none / 0)

Barack's final VP pick will be "brilliant" and well thought out!  I do not think it will be Hillary Clinton, though!


by bacalove on Sun May 18, 2008 at 06:49:18 AM EST

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I like Clark. I like Sebelius, although I could see the problems that it would pose in terms of the perception that it "replaces" Hillary, even though I don't necessarily agree. Clark would be my pick overall, but his experience quotient is similar to Webb's. I don't like Webb and Richardson would be problematic for Hillary supporters ( I would have a hard time with it, I'd still support the ticket obviously, but still). Honestly, either Clark or Sebelius or Hillary (even though I don't think Hill would take it)

Sorry about the stream of consciousness, I'm a bit tipsy.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 06:54:13 AM EST

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Let's see what he says on MTP. I hope he goes all out in saying he endorses Obama and he is the right one blah blah.
No more fence sitting.
Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Sun May 18, 2008 at 08:17:58 AM EST

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If Webb could put BO over the top in VA then he would be a great pick because VA 13 electoral votes would put BO in the WH.  But right now McCain is way ahead in VA frankly VA is still pretty conservative and has a huge number of military votes and i just dont see a war hero losing the election in VA.

david


by giusd on Sun May 18, 2008 at 08:31:34 AM EST

Bill Richardson (none / 0)

Let's keep him in mind, too.  Whoever it is needs to have strong foreign policy credentials.  So my leanings are towards Bill Richardson or Wes Clark.


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by igottheblues on Sun May 18, 2008 at 09:30:40 AM EST

Re: Webb Outshines Barack (none / 0)

Webb outshines Barack completely and only highlights Barack's intellectual and political skittishness, as well as his total lack of authority. Simply put Webb has presence and conveys serious substance, Barack does not. You look at Webb and think this is the where you begin to set the bar for the presidency. You look at Barack and think, well, I don't know, you think brand marketing. Barack is better of with Wesley Clark who has a spooky capacity to supress his authority while still appearing strong (perhaps Barack can take lessons) and substantive. Sibelius, who looks even wimpier than Barack is a even better bet. Webb simply outclasses Barack.


by superetendar on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:22:51 PM EST
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Re: Webb Outshines Barack (none / 0)

Webb outshines Barack completely and only highlights Barack's intellectual and political skittishness, as well as his total lack of authority. Simply put Webb has presence and conveys serious substance, Barack does not. You look at Webb and think this is where you begin to set the bar for the presidency. You look at Barack and think, well, I don't know, you think brand marketing. Barack is better off with Wesley Clark who has a spooky capacity to appear benign while still appearing strong (perhaps Barack can take lessons) and substantive. Sibelius, who looks even wimpier than Barack is an even better bet for Obama. Webb simply outclasses Barack, he needs to find a Quayle.


by superetendar on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:25:42 PM EST
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