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He had a small business. (2.00 / 2)

His father worked on the factory floor in a textile factory in Pa.  Their home was small - She had no political family with connections to help her in her political career.  Her father probably went to college on the GI bill - a good Democratic event.  I stand by solid middle class - now disappearing from our country.

She did not grow up wealthy or connected -  the times were such she was able to attend these schools.  


by Xanthe on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:00:51 AM EST
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Re: He had a small business. (2.00 / 1)

I never said he got handed a textile company - simply that he owned one.  Yes, he worked to own one, but that doesn't change the fact that Hillary's father owned a textile company and grew up (from age 7) in a fairly wealthy suburb.

Is Park Ridge the same as Winnetka?

No.

But it's not Scranton, either.


by zonk on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:11:51 AM EST
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I owned a company myself. (2.00 / 2)

All you have to do is file incorporation papers.  Putting that aside - you are right, it is not Winnetka.  And these suburbs after the War were more affordable than they are today.  

So if it's not Scranton - isn't that an American story - solid middle class when it meant something.  


by Xanthe on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:18:00 AM EST
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and median income is (none / 0)

about $80,000 per year.  Not bad - but by today's standard - probably both parents working.  


by Xanthe on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:26:42 AM EST
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Re: and median income is (none / 0)

It's actually $87K -

And Park Ridge is also not the same Park Ridge from the 50s and 60s.


by zonk on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:29:04 AM EST
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No, I understand (none / 0)

it's not the same.  Having lived thru those days, there was great hope in the air - now gone.  


by Xanthe on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:56:25 AM EST
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The US is one of the MOST STRATIFIED OECD countrie (2.00 / 1)

Poor people are far more likely to remain here poor than almost all other OECD countries.. Mexico is much worse, so are some other Latin American countries. Almost all of the European more developed Asian countries, and Aus/NZ are now better, as is Canada.

The economics make it pretty clear that life for people who are not rich is bad and getting worse relative to many other countries.

Realistically, barring a REAL 'change' many Americans will probably have to consider moving in the next few years and they should consider things like that in making their choice.

Assuming they are young enough to be able to continue working or if they have children.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:15:08 PM EST
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Things in the US are in some ways similar to the (none / 0)

conditions that drove much immigration to the US in the past.

Immigrants in the US have a much better time of it. They (well, actually, their children) seem to be able to break out of the strata thing. Obama is a very good example of that. African immigrants and their children tend to do very well here. They often have the best of both worlds.

Children of biracial couples also do very well. Both groups are heavily represented in the top schools.

Self-identifying as black person also probaby helped Obama quite a bit as he has been able to draw on the hopes of millions of American born black people for more black role models.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:22:48 PM EST
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And white people too, I might add.. (none / 0)

People like me, who would like to see more black role models.

My objections aren't to Obama's race, basically I think he is too conservative to be a help to black people as anything other than a symbol, and for me, thats NOT enough in these desperate times.

The fact that he is running against Hillary Clinton - trying to stop really affordable healthcare is an obscenity to me.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:25:15 PM EST
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Very true! (2.00 / 1)

One only has to drive around Park Ridge to see that it isn't Winnetka (or Lake Forest or Kenilworth or Barrington or even Highland Park or Wilmette).  The suburb has been very pricey but that is due more to its proximity to Chicago than to its character.  


by lombard on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:50:57 AM EST
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