Hillary has her own cult of personality in her most extreme circle of supporters...witness how they defame and demean female Obama-supporting politicians in the name of women's rights. It's all about having their female president at all costs and has absolutely nothing to do with female leadership otherwise.
Very true. And yet, they call you the cult members. I think one of the most offensive sig lines I ever saw on this site was one which said, "We are the ones we've been waiting for ... Hale-Bopp take them awaaayyyyy." I think that offensive idiot finally got a well-deserved banning.
That's depressing to hear.
Yes, it is. But it's also somewhat encouraging to know that Jerome had the good sense to ban her.
was particularly hollow and narcissistic pander. I may not agree with writing a diary like the one you mention but I do have something less than respect for someone who would be carried away by such a line.
It is basically capturing the same theme as 'ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.'
And you know what, it works because it taps into that frustrated undercurrent of people who feel like the government has stopped representing them, people who want to do something about it. It is a message to motivate people to actually get involved in the political process, and from the size and effectiveness of Obama's volunteer base, it was obviously effective.
Citizens, Democrats, are being inspired to actually get involved in the democratic process... and this is somehow a bad thing? Obama or his supporters should be ridiculed for being enthusiastic? When was that enthusiasm ever a bad thing when trying to win a campaign.
Face it, this whole 'cult' meme is just a convenient way of trivializing Obama supporters to discouraging others from examining the substantive reasons why we might support our candidate.
Actually the vibe I get off 'ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country' is one of self sacrifice for the greater good.
While the vibe I get from 'We are the ones we've been waiting for' is more 'YES we're solve everything without problems because we're so fircking awesome!!'
To me it just feels off. it always reminds me of the last two paragraphs of HST wave speech.
And that, I think, was the handle--that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting--on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark--that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.
The unfocussedness of his movement makes that sort of ending a risk.
For the rest I like him just fine, his standpoints are marginally better then those of clinton, so I'm perfectly happy to support him now he has the nomination locked up.
I think you're misreading it (well, I know from my perspective you are).
I don't think Obama's saying it'll be easy or that we're all so great and wonderful, or anything of the sort. He in fact often talks about this being a difficult struggle that will take a lot of hard work.
The point of the line is this: that we need to stop waiting for someone else to bail us out, that we are, or can be, the force to change the system. As long as we wait for someone to sweep in and save us, we're going to be waiting a long, long time.
Honestly, most Obama supporters are as far from cultists as I can imagine. We know he's not "the savior" or the magic force that will right all wrongs. He's a rallying point, a focus for energy, but it's the 1.5 million and growing active participants in the campaign that are the energy. That means we all need to be active participants, get off our butts and work to be the change we want. He's not going to do it for us; no politician is. Obama's just the best focus for our collective energy that we have available, because his campaign and strategy is built around channeling a large grassroots organization into an effective political tool.
from Alice Walker, feminist icon?
Fact is that this line has a long history in womanist and feminist circles. Sad to see it attacked by people who see themselves as feminists.
I kinda doubt that the side supporting a candidate who lacks even a full term in the Senate has much room to criticize the other side on candidate-leadership issues. And a candidate getting 90% of his minority race vote really has little room to complain about identity politics...
You're blaming him for the polarization?
Interesting......
Ultimately irrelevant. Do you want to us to win, or would you rather spend your time sniping and complaining?
I can assure you you'll get plenty of opportunities to do that if McCain wins.
Please, please lets move beyond this petty stuff and get together on the issues that matter.
I value your contribution, but fail to see how it relates to the thread.
THIS is the bullshit I'm talking about.
So what he's getting 90 percent of the African-American vote?
I don't hear anyone bitching that HRC pulls more women.
and it seems like everyone forgot that she had 70% of the AA vote pre-SC. But god knows it was Obama that racebaited Bill into using the Jackson analogy and caused her to lose that voting block. Winning a primary, what race baiting!
The nerve of that guy!!! Choosing to be born black and all... rude, just rude I tell you.
Yeah, right. Cause blaming him for being born black is EXACTLY what this discussion is about.
just your contribution.
Hillary had 70% of the african american vote before Bill Clinton dropped that jesse jackson comment after SC.
Examples? Please provide links.
As a female supporter of Obama, I wholeheartedly agree with this post. I'm so sick of the juvenile name calling. I'd like to think that people who are so into politics that they post on this site and others are smart enough to have a larger vocabulary. When you resort to childish name calling, it only exposes your ignorance.
I support Obama because I think he's the best candidate. As a white woman, that does not make me a racist or a gender traitor. I would support Clinton if she won the nomination, but she hasn't and she won't.
